Grey Flannel Auctions currently has a jersey for auction, listed as a premium auction that states it is a 1989-90 game worn Wayne Gretzky jersey. As Gretzky is one of the most desirable jerseys, they can fetch a premium in the hobby, however many experts often dispute the legitimacy of Gretzky jerseys among themselves.
Our Game Worn Radio episode that included discussion on this auction sparked some interesting topics and revealed the possibility of a different lineage that what is purported. On the show, we discussed the 9/10 grade and what could that mean. Between our readers, listeners and radio show panel many collectors agreed that they didn’t understand the grading system as a game worn jersey is either real or not.
Looking closer, it was discovered that photo-match.com that issued the 9/10 rating has the same mailing address at the bottom of their web pages as the grey flannel auctions pages displays on their footer. Once of the concerns among the collectors was what seemed a conflict of interest of the auction entity issuing LOAs. Another concern was an LOA coming from an entity called “Photo-match” but no evidence of an actual photo match.
After the show, we were contacted by an authentic jersey collector who had a Gretzky collection that he referenced selling off in the late 90’s. Included with the message were pictures taken from an iPhone 7 of 4×6 printed photos of one of the Gretzky jerseys he had in his collection asserting that it was not game worn and was indeed an authentic jersey.
We then compared these pictures to those from the auction and discovered that all signs point to the jersey in the auction being the same jersey from the 4×6 photos.
After checking out the photos and identifying that the shirt in question is the same shirt, we reached out to one of the writers of an LOA for the jersey in the auction lot to see what that person knew about the authentication process.
Some eagle-eyed collectors have recently noticed that goal pucks being sold by Fanatics all have the same hand writing, regardless of the venue. This prompted some collectors to inquire how that could be the case. After reaching out to some Fanatics representatives, it was discovered that after receiving the pucks, they rewrote and taped the pucks using one person’s hand writing for legibility.
This created a great conversation from collectors regarding the change or modification of the pucks after the end of the game. Some expressed that they would like the original tape from the score box on the item and for legibility purposes, that an insert or sticker could be included with their item to keep all pieces in tact. Others did not care about any modifications as long as the data was correct.
Some collectors even pointed out that other distributors include printed stickers with all the necessary information with the tape around the puck completely removed. You can see this on the picture above that has tape residue still on the puck.
What are the most common practices that you prefer or do you envision something entirely new that you think would be more pleasing?
A couple years ago, the Detroit Red Wings offered a series of Training Camp and Exhibition jerseys at their end of the year sale that had their nameplates removed. Without knowing for sure, the team sold the jerseys without their standard LOA in an as-is environment.
After positively identifying some of these jerseys, collectors contacted the team to see if the removed nameplates were still around. Unfortunately, they were not. Where did they go? After talking to a number of collectors, it was revealed that a couple years before the sale, there was a stash of nameplates from jerseys. These would have had to have been training camp and exhibition name plates because regular season jerseys have letters stitched directly to the numbers.
Recently, a collector who also has a number of cards was able to identify that the missing nameplate for one of the jerseys ended up in cards. It seems that at some point, the team took the pile of nameplates and send them to upper deck. Now, the only question that remains is why the nameplates were removed in the first place.
Some collectors find enjoyment in trying to figure out the when’s and why’s of certain situations that jerseys or memorabilia end up in. Often times, I find myself wondering which jerseys were the ones cut up into cards to know which have been removed from the hobby. Only strong definitive investigative work can tell the tell.
When we started doing this radio show, we never thought it would last this long or become what it has. Its been a ton of fun at really helps some of these collectors keep in contact with each other.
Derek tells a story about how he was accused of being a bully in the hobby after trying to help a communication issue between to parties engaged in a trade. One of the parties involved made a slight handed comment about the other person being slanderous, so Derek asked him if he was trying to create a problem with him. Long story short, someone else heard about it and began passive aggressively posting negative things directed at Derek, so he addresses this on the show.
We discuss some of the auction platforms teams have been using to list jerseys and their security. Many do not have authentication of accounts and anyone in IT or IT security understand that these are major concerns.
Finally the guys talk about the most recent ended auctions, items and values.
We are beginning the planning stages for our next expo to be held in Detroit during the Frozen Four in 2020 pursuant to the success of logistics. In order to create the best success possible, we are open to suggestions to make improvements from our 2017 Chicago expo.
If you have any contacts that would be valuable in the Detroit area to assist with securing a venue, lodging accommodations, and marketing, please let us know. If you have thoughts and opinions on improving existing activities or planning new activities, we would love to hear those as well.
Many of you may be familiar with the gesture website used by many teams like the Toronto Maple Leafs, Colorado Avalanche, San Jose Sharks, and more to bid on warm-up and game jerseys.
STOP USING GESTURE.
From a non-technical aspect, your data is NOT secure. It has been revealed that other users can gain access to your account via URL. Their security does not require authorization on devices, which means they are storing sensitive information in encrypted URLs and not a token system unique to the session on your device.
This is super insecure. Using a link from another user to a current listing, we were able to view their account information by just clicking on the tab. No additional login needed.
Also, be wary of other insecure apps floating across the hockey world. It has been reported that the San Jose Sharks currently use a ticketing app that stores your password in PLAIN TEXT or unencrypted to support staff.
If you value your security, you will avoid these apps and do research on others that you use.
We had Nick Viris of Game Worn Hockey jerseys call in from Greece at 4am his time to talk about some o the things that happened in the old days of hockey jersey collecting with stories about equipment managers selling and pocketing cash.
We also discussed some of the issues people are seeing while working with world hockey jerseys and explored the difference and the tolerance required when working with people of different cultures.
On November 21st, Nick Viris has asked to be a guest on the show. Nick Viris runs World Hockey Jerseys that you may have seen on eBay on the account whj_canada.
Nick is planning to talk about his experiences he had working with hockey as an assistant trainer with Team Canada in the 90’s and collecting back then, where things were peddled by trainers and equipment staff out the back door, and some other good stories of back then.
Additionally, I am sure there will be some write in questions and discussion regarding the World Hockey Jerseys and sales.