Game Worn Radio: Hobby Economics, Value, TimberGraphs

We discuss some topics that we saw throughout some of the groups involving the valuation of jerseys, economics in the hobby and the etiquette that surround these attributes.

We introduce TimberGraphs which make wooden signatures of your favorite players that enhance your displays.

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New Partner: TimberGraphs

Gameworn.us has partnered with TimberGraphs as an opportunity to connect collectors to new and exciting was to accent their game worn displays.

TimberGraphs are hand cut and shaped pieces of art of your favorite players autograph.  They are cut, sanded and finished individually giving each piece a unique touch.  

Here, you can see a sample of Steve Yzerman and Gordie Howe TimberGraphs and an example how it can accent your displays.

TimberGraphs are priced based on complexity of the piece and range from $150 to $250.  Players that have not already been stenciled can be custom requested which includes a custom analysis to translate the work into a wooden medium.  Lead times are adjusted as order volume increases which you will be able to see on our partner pages.

To place your order for TimberGraphs, visit our partner page here.  For questions concerning TimberGraphs, please use our Contact Us page.

How Do You Display Your Collection?

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There are as many different ways to display your collection as there are collectors. The best way to display your collection is up to you. Living in a 3 bedroom town home with our daughter gone, my wife did not put up any opposition to me having a “hockey room”. There is a room in our house devoted to my passion for the game with a big screen TV.

I collect minor league vintage jerseys. I think it reminds me of my youth. ( I have changed directions so many times my friends have joked that I don’t collect jerseys,  I only rent them.) The way I like to display them is with a vintage pennant and a vintage piece of cardboard. I like the aesthetics of this method. The downside to this process is that it limits the number of shirts I can display or keep in my collection. If I can’t display it or look at it, there is no joy in having it. Toy collectors like to have the cardboard box the toy came in because most people threw the box away or the cardboard simply didn’t survive.  I feel the same way about vintage hockey cardboard and pennants.

I have included three jerseys in my limited collection. First up is a San Diego Gulls 72-73 dureen Jersey. The white WHL jerseys are difficult to find because most of the whites were given to the players. The road blue jerseys were offered to the public. Adding the WHL 25th patch and this style is not easy to find. The white WHL pennant is extremely easy to find. One could pick one up on eBay for $10. The John Adams litho was given out at Gulls games in 1974. Not many survived, so it’s difficult to find one. There’s a puck hitting the blocker in this litho. The artist had to draw the puck in the photo to cover the word Cooper he had written on the blocker because of copyright infringement. My favorite Gulls story from this era involves Bob Courcy. Bob was offered an NHL contract by the Flyers but he turned it down . He had a girlfriend in every WHL city and preferred that to skating for Philadelphia.

Game Worn Radio: Viris Returns, Questionable Gretzky, State of the Hobby

Nick Viris rejoins us on Game Worn Radio to talk about concerns regarding recuperating losses or recourse when collectors discover fake jerseys and the timelines they have to act based on their payment method.

After we fixed some mic issues, we talked about a Gretzky jersey that was up for auction with some curious information attached to the auction.

Finally Nick joins us to talk about the state of the hobby and what we can do in the future to make sure we sustain a healthy community.

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Tracking Down the Truth: Gretzky Kings

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Grey Flannel Auctions currently has a jersey for auction, listed as a premium auction that states it is a 1989-90 game worn Wayne Gretzky jersey.  As Gretzky is one of the most desirable jerseys, they can fetch a premium in the hobby, however many experts often dispute the legitimacy of Gretzky jerseys among themselves.

Our Game Worn Radio episode that included discussion on this auction sparked some interesting topics and revealed the possibility of a different lineage that what is purported.  On the show, we discussed the 9/10 grade and what could that mean.  Between our readers, listeners and radio show panel many collectors agreed that they didn’t understand the grading system as a game worn jersey is either real or not.

Looking closer, it was discovered that photo-match.com that issued the 9/10 rating has the same mailing address at the bottom of their web pages as the grey flannel auctions pages displays on their footer.  Once of the concerns among the collectors was what seemed a conflict of interest of the auction entity issuing LOAs.  Another concern was an LOA coming from an entity called “Photo-match” but no evidence of an actual photo match.

After the show, we were contacted by an authentic jersey collector who had a Gretzky collection that he referenced selling off in the late 90’s.  Included with the message were pictures taken from an iPhone 7 of 4×6 printed photos of one of the Gretzky jerseys he had in his collection asserting that it was not game worn and was indeed an authentic jersey.

We then compared these pictures to those from the auction and discovered that all signs point to the jersey in the auction being the same jersey from the 4×6 photos.

After checking out the photos and identifying that the shirt in question is the same shirt, we reached out to one of the writers of an LOA for the jersey in the auction lot to see what that person knew about the authentication process.

Rewriting Goal Puck Tape

Some eagle-eyed collectors have recently noticed that goal pucks being sold by Fanatics all have the same hand writing, regardless of the venue.  This prompted some collectors to inquire how that could be the case.  After reaching out to some Fanatics representatives, it was discovered that after receiving the pucks, they rewrote and taped the pucks using one person’s hand writing for legibility.

This created a great conversation from collectors regarding the change or modification of the pucks after the end of the game.  Some expressed that they would like the original tape from the score box on the item and for legibility purposes, that an insert or sticker could be included with their item to keep all pieces in tact.  Others did not care about any modifications as long as the data was correct.

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Some collectors even pointed out that other distributors include printed stickers with all the necessary information with the tape around the puck completely removed.  You can see this on the picture above that has tape residue still on the puck.

What are the most common practices that you prefer or do you envision something entirely new that you think would be more pleasing?

Time and Investigation Reveal Interesting Stories

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A couple years ago, the Detroit Red Wings offered a series of Training Camp and Exhibition jerseys at their end of the year sale that had their nameplates removed.  Without knowing for sure, the team sold the jerseys without their standard LOA in an as-is environment.

After positively identifying some of these jerseys, collectors contacted the team to see if the removed nameplates were still around.  Unfortunately, they were not.  Where did they go?  After talking to a number of collectors, it was revealed that a couple years before the sale, there was a stash of nameplates from jerseys.  These would have had to have been training camp and exhibition name plates because regular season jerseys have letters stitched directly to the numbers.

Recently, a collector who also has a number of cards was able to identify that the missing nameplate for one of the jerseys ended up in cards.  It seems that at some point, the team took the pile of nameplates and send them to upper deck.  Now, the only question that remains is why the nameplates were removed in the first place.

Some collectors find enjoyment in trying to figure out the when’s and why’s of certain situations that jerseys or memorabilia end up in.  Often times, I find myself wondering which jerseys were the ones cut up into cards to know which have been removed from the hobby.  Only strong definitive investigative work can tell the tell.

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